This is a listing from craigslist Casual Encounters that I've edited a bit, but the gist is still present:
"I'm a well built male w/a very sexy slender and very very submissive latina who loves getting filled up... Lookin for other hetero males who are built lean to muscular who are exhibitionist abd get into the camaraderie of sharing pussy, dominating submissive sluts, rough, no rules ... spit on her, pull hair, high-5 while fucking"
My question is: is this woman actually enjoying the gangbang experience, or does she tolerate it because she is compensated for it in some other way?
The situation this ad describes reminds me of the 1996 Lars Von Trier movie "Breaking the Waves" in which Emily Watson plays a woman is so devoted to her dying husband that she completely degrades herself sexually (and does not appear to be enjoying herself in so doing):
"Drama set in a repressed, deeply religious community in the north of Scotland, where a naive young woman named Bess McNeil (Emily Watson) meets and falls in love with Danish oil-rig worker Jan (Stellan Skarsgaard). Bess and Jan are deeply in love but, when Jan returns to his rig, Bess prays to God that he returns for good. Jan does return, his neck broken in an accident aboard the rig. Because of his condition, Jan and Bess are now unable to enjoy a sexual relationship and Jan urges Bess to take another lover and tell him the details. As Bess becomes more and more deviant in her sexual behaviour, the more she comes to believe that her actions are guided by God and are helping Jan recover."
www.imdb.com/title/tt0115751
"I'm a well built male w/a very sexy slender and very very submissive latina who loves getting filled up... Lookin for other hetero males who are built lean to muscular who are exhibitionist abd get into the camaraderie of sharing pussy, dominating submissive sluts, rough, no rules ... spit on her, pull hair, high-5 while fucking"
My question is: is this woman actually enjoying the gangbang experience, or does she tolerate it because she is compensated for it in some other way?
The situation this ad describes reminds me of the 1996 Lars Von Trier movie "Breaking the Waves" in which Emily Watson plays a woman is so devoted to her dying husband that she completely degrades herself sexually (and does not appear to be enjoying herself in so doing):
"Drama set in a repressed, deeply religious community in the north of Scotland, where a naive young woman named Bess McNeil (Emily Watson) meets and falls in love with Danish oil-rig worker Jan (Stellan Skarsgaard). Bess and Jan are deeply in love but, when Jan returns to his rig, Bess prays to God that he returns for good. Jan does return, his neck broken in an accident aboard the rig. Because of his condition, Jan and Bess are now unable to enjoy a sexual relationship and Jan urges Bess to take another lover and tell him the details. As Bess becomes more and more deviant in her sexual behaviour, the more she comes to believe that her actions are guided by God and are helping Jan recover."
www.imdb.com/title/tt0115751
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Re: What's in it for her?
Mon, February 21, 2005 - 8:26 AMshort of asking her, it would be pretty hard to tell in this specific case.
But I have known several women who are truly able to enjoy a submissive state where being a "fucktoy" and/or being "used" gives them immense pleasure. The root causes of that part of their psyche can be pretty varied. -
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Re: What's in it for her?
Mon, February 21, 2005 - 8:55 AM> being "used" gives them immense pleasure
Yeah, I can see how this might be true.
I guess what I'm figuring out about myself as I think about gangbangs is that I'm not crazy about the whole dominant/submissive underpinnings of so much of the sex that's out there, because I think needing to be dominant or submissive comes from a sense of shamefulness.
But then why should I care about what turns other people on? It's not really my business.
... except I do like thinking about the ways in which shame-based-sex may ultimately hold back the evolution of the human race. -
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Re: What's in it for her?
Mon, February 21, 2005 - 9:15 AM> I think needing to be dominant or submissive comes from a sense of shamefulness.
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Re: What's in it for her?
Mon, February 21, 2005 - 9:18 AM> Hmm. I don't see that as being the only root of D/s. Why do you?
Probably because of my own puritannical hangups : )
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Re: What's in it for her?
Mon, February 21, 2005 - 11:25 AMBess is a raving lunatic with religious issues. I always saw that character as performing the the worst sin that she could commit in some warped strike at god.
Linda Lovelace might be a good example of that in real life. Once she had been seduced into sin by her husband/pimp there was nothing that little catholic girl wouldn't do. Multiple partners is nothing compared to fucking a dog.
Degraded and humiliated by god. The ultimate kink.
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Re: What's in it for her?
Mon, February 21, 2005 - 3:55 PMIt will surprise you at how twisted some are.
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Re: What's in it for her?
Wed, February 23, 2005 - 12:37 PM> Hmm. I don't see that as being the only root of D/s. Why do you?
For me D/S can sometimes be about performance. Also as a dominant allowing myself to take what I need or in the case of the submissive role not having to ask for what I want. -
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Re: What's in it for her?
Mon, February 28, 2005 - 7:37 AMJen,
I find myself really interested in the D/S thing and want
to pick about your comments. I hope you don't mind!
> Also as a dominant allowing myself to take what I need
Right, being able to take what one needs without
regard for anything but one's own desire is intoxicating
and euphoric. But the dominant stuff is only fun because
so often we can't get what we want or need, right?
Because sex is not all that freely available in our
society; lots of times we can't get it when we want it;
so it's really fun to play in a way where we can and do
get exactly what we want, when we want it.
> or in the case of the submissive role not having to ask for what I want.
But why shouldn't I be able to ask for exactly what I want?
Why wouldn't I want to ask for exactly what I want?
This is what I say: make sex less shameful, get
more sex happening, make it so that generally if
you want sex you can get it, and then all the degradation
and D/S stuff will fall off to the wayside, because I think
it is a function of the scarcity of sex.
(I'm just thinking aloud and I realize
I may be wrong or a bit ignorant.)
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Re: What's in it for her?
Mon, February 28, 2005 - 12:30 PM
> I find myself really interested in the D/S thing and want
> to pick about your comments. I hope you don't mind!
Not at all. I'm hear for the discussion not just to hear myself blather on about gangbangs.
> Right, being able to take what one needs without
> regard for anything but one's own desire is intoxicating
> and euphoric.
It's not really about intoxication and euphoria...that is certainly a side benifit, but for me 'topping' or being dominant is about admitting to myself that it is ok to 'take' sexually (assuming the other person is cool with that) In other words topping does remove the shame from sex for me. It affirms the notion for me that it is ok to want sex and to demand it as a right/priveledge. In fact to demand it however I want it and not because I'm a 'good girl' or cuz I'm your wife or cuz I'm pretty or for any other reason that would somehow imply that I 'deserve' the privledge.
> But the dominant stuff is only fun because
> so often we can't get what we want or need, right?
I haven't found that to be the case.
> Because sex is not all that freely available in our
> society;
it isn't?
>> or in the case of the submissive role not having to ask for
>> what I want.
> But why shouldn't I be able to ask for exactly what I want?
Oh you certainly should be able to I'm not aruging with that.
> Why wouldn't I want to ask for exactly what I want?
Well....I suppose my particular kink in this area comes from being made to beg.
More specifically the fun that can be had when playing with the begging cenario
And the total sucktastrofy that comes from your partner turning the begging game into a sick mindfuck.
For me not having to ask means the other 'dominant' partner has spent extra special time thinking about just all of the delicous ways in which he/she wants to please me.
> This is what I say: make sex less shameful, get
> more sex happening, make it so that generally if
> you want sex you can get it, and then all the degradation
> and D/S stuff will fall off to the wayside, because I think
> it is a function of the scarcity of sex.
I'm curious as to why you have such a negative view of the 'D/S stuff' I certainly come from a BDSM background, but when I speak of dominant and submissive I am not nessecerily meaning that there is a D/S 'scene' going on. In fact I have been with several 'vanilla' partners where this dynamic was in play. For example....there is a room full of lesbian women all wearing strap ons and fucking the hell out of each other in a very dominant/masculine way. I would consider that D/S there is a dominant and submissive in each cenario they may no be calling each other that there may not be some cheezy negotiated or hurtfull scene, but the undercurrent is there. Certainly I don't think this cenario is about shame or degration either....
maybe also my lack of understanding stems from having such a fluid sexuality or allowing both male/female sexual gender roles a place with my D/S sides.
> (I'm just thinking aloud and I realize
> I may be wrong or a bit ignorant.)
No I think this is really important to talk about I certainly feel that in some respect gangbangs do have deep roots in shame and certainly sexual dysfunction, sexual preditory behavior, and sexual abuse stem from these problems/issues where BDSM is sometiems an outlet it doesn't neccecarily mean it's a positive outlet or healthy for society as a whole.
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Re: What's in it for her?
Tue, March 1, 2005 - 8:23 AMAspects of this thread have inspired invitations to
the War of The Tops tribe.
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Re: What's in it for her?
Fri, February 25, 2005 - 8:45 AM*bump*
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Re: What's in it for her?
Sun, February 27, 2005 - 10:51 PMWhat's in it for her/me? As I will be attending my first gang bang, it's the experience...something new. As a sub, my particular gift is trying to fulfill fantasies. One tribester who will be coming back to the states for a visit would like a gang bang and orgy, so I am planning it for him, per my offer.
Am I nervous? Of course. I want to be successful in my endeavor and not suddenly withdrawal or back out. I want to experience the penetration of many different cocks and the power of satisfying many different men. Even though I am a sub and relinquish my body over to the dom of the moment, I still have power, which is the way it is suppose to be.
I am being selective in the men I am inviting, those I have met up with before in one way or another. I do know I need to be comfortable with most, if not all. I am considering wearing a blindfold to help keep me relaxed, but I won't know until that night (end of June, beginning of July).
Once the event is over, I'll be able to give you a different insight.
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Re: What's in it for her?
Mon, February 28, 2005 - 7:40 AMMarie,
Wow, it sounds like you will have fun.
I like what you say about the power of satisfying many different men. I think this is a big part of the allure of any many-on-one sex situations: one person is satisfying many people. There's something noble and efficient about it : )
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Re: What's in it for her?
Mon, July 11, 2005 - 9:47 PMJames responds (waaaay back in February):
<<Re: What's in it for her?
short of asking her, it would be pretty hard to tell in this specific case.>>
This sounds about as close to the mark as one could get. The motivations are just too wide ranging to be able to deduce from a distance.
Harriet mentions (when this thread was still alive):
<<I'm not crazy about the whole dominant/submissive underpinnings of so much of the sex that's out there, because I think needing to be dominant or submissive comes from a sense of shamefulness.>>
I think Harriet definitely has a point, though later she notes Marie's offer of an alternative motivation:
<<Even though I am a sub and relinquish my body over to the dom of the moment, I still have power, which is the way it is suppose to be.>>
Bottoms as tops or something like that? I'll admit that I'm not exactly hip to the lingo, but it seems that kind of power could be intoxicating whether you're in control or whether you're just having an effect on people. And we all know the greatest aphrodisiac: power. Just ask Kissenger.
Delving more into the mind of a submissive, especially in a scenario with all the social baggage of a gangbang, it would seem that deferring control could be a potent form of ecclesastical Wite-Out®, a psychological tool to absolve one's self of responsibility in the given situation. Kinda like getting drunk but without all the nausea and hangovers.
"They made me do it."
Sure.
You slapped them all and tried to run away, right? Right.
...Of course not. You [metaphorically] were there to have fun. If that takes a few tools to get over some hangups, so be it.
Ultimately: are gangbangs shameful sex...? I suppose that's a matter of perspective. Afterall, the more the merrier, right? Wasn't that what they were talking about when the invented the phrase? -
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Re: What's in it for her?
Tue, July 12, 2005 - 10:56 AM> Ultimately: are gangbangs shameful sex...?
And I'll say what I always say at this point: why does any form of sex have to be shameful? Can't we move away from that?
And then people say: "but we love our shameful sex, don't you dare try to make our sex less shameful cuz we like it that way"
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Re: What's in it for her?
Tue, July 12, 2005 - 2:55 PMWell I have recently been moving away from shameful sex in hopes that sex could become more fulfilling and psysical VS detached and cerebal. After all if it is about the shame it's really about you and how you feel. The other person may not feel dirty at all about what they are doing to you. I'm mean sometimes it is all about the thrill, but I guess I'm not willing to settle for a thrill anymore. I want mind numbing heart wrenching bliss that makes you feel like you have been broken and remade as something cherished and special.
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Re: What's in it for her?
Tue, July 12, 2005 - 9:00 PM<<And then people say: "but we love our shameful sex, don't you dare try to make our sex less shameful cuz we like it that way" >>
Not entirely surprising. Issues, especially deep rooted ones that might trigger "shame", won't conveniently go away when the libido expresses itself. The expression of libido then grows to incorporate shame as potentially both trigger and release, depending on the pathology of the person hung up on shame.
<< And that's where I run out of things to say : ) >>
I think, at this point, you just nod and smile and say: "Whatever floats yer boat, kiddo."
...You'll never singlehandedly cure the shame out of the perception of gangbangs. Can't really cure anything for that matter, but you might be able to treat the symptoms by taking small steps. In this case, by setting up gangbang circumstances that lay positive groundrules ahead of time, even if only by setting the tone.
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Big Letters:
The More The Merrier!
then, in the fine print legalese:
...This is not about dominance, submission, punishment, humiliation, reversion or even perversion. This is a community event that happens to involve consensual sex.
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It might filter out some of the usual gangbang crowd... but would that really be a bad thing? Especially if brought in a fresh demographic? Spread the good word, so to speak?
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Re: What's in it for her?
Sun, October 29, 2006 - 7:52 AMAccording to the women who have opened up to me about this, a gangbang is overwhelming physically and emotionally in a way that is almost impossible to experience one-on-one, which offers its own special rewards. The phrase that most captured it for me was when a girlfriend told me she felt as though she had totally abandoned herself and was on a surreal plane during the 'event'. Transcendent, you might say.
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Re: What's in it for her?
Wed, November 1, 2006 - 10:03 AMThere are many, many reasons why people like multi-fucks; some neurological, some biological, some behavioural.
Some women I play with are like me; no strings sex, no hassles, we're here for the fucking.
Others may be ego-driven; "I can fuck 4 guys" "I can fuck 54 guys" (the house record is 64, BTW, at groups.yahoo.com/group/acegangbangcrew twice monthly in Portland OR).
Yet more just trance out, park their superegos on hold and just enjoy the ride. Not classic Submissives, as I understand them, just extreme sensualists.
Still other women need more fucking to be pleased, and are wired such that it works for them.
Then, some folks Want To Be Bad, Want To Act Out. If it's without drams, more power to them.
Some women want to be Dirty Girlz, and many of them like dogging, arcades or the theater scene, e.g., groups.yaho.com/group/Port...eaterAction . There are all kinds of cross-linkages between this and that in the brain; just ask Proust.
Just accept diversity, get on with it, and pass the lube, please.
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Re: What's in it for her?
Sun, May 13, 2007 - 4:07 AMWhenever I have been gang banged i have felt deleriously wonderful after it was all over. I feel almost high for a coupe days after. It is a feeling of accomplishment too. You know you satisfied all those guys. Being gang banged is being the center of sexual attention for a long period of time with different sensations and size, forms and styles. You ae geting the best each guy has to give. What I get out of it is the best feeling in the world. feeling on top of the world for a couple days, my body tingling for hours. What am I not getting out of being gang banged is a better question. -
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Re: What's in it for her?
Sun, May 13, 2007 - 1:24 PMThat's great, Amber!
There have been discussions in other places where guys have wondered about what the girl gets out of it, and I like to try and imagine a role reversal situation: If you're a guy, try to imagine what it might be like if a bunch of women were really turned on just by the thought of sharing you.
Would that happen in real life for a guy? No!
But use your imagination!
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Re: What's in it for her?
Sun, May 13, 2007 - 6:34 PMMike, one of my mom's lovers,her main lover, has had several women at once many times. -
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Re: What's in it for her?
Sun, May 13, 2007 - 6:42 PMAll, I want you to meet my daughter Amber, who happened to be reading my tribe while I was busy elsewhere.
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Re: What's in it for her?
Mon, May 14, 2007 - 12:55 PM"Whenever I have been gang banged i have felt deleriously wonderful after it was all over. I feel almost high for a coupe days after."
This was my ex's experience as well. She came out of it completely sated, tired but in a good sort of way, a goofy grin on her face that didn't go away for a few days and a mood to match. I sincerely enjoyed seeing her so completely satisfied. Those gangbangs play a role in some very good memories of that relationship.
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Re: What's in it for her?
Sun, May 13, 2007 - 6:54 PMI really hate people who are so chicken shit that they post a controversial topic and then unsubscribe. Please don't bother to post unless you are going to share with us who you are. I don't responde top people who are cowards.
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Re: What's in it for her?
Sat, June 30, 2007 - 6:19 PMI saw the movie that you are referring to. Although some women probably get into the gang bang experience out of devotion or obedience to their husbands, I can tell you from personal experience that there are women who, for whatever reason and however they first tried a gang bang, now seek out and thoroughly enjoy gang bangs.
It is a very ironic situation because, although some people see gang bangs as degrading to the woman, women who have participated in a real gang bang experience will tell you the overwhelming sensation is one of power. Empowerment by being not only the center of attention, but being able to skillfully control the situation (and the men involved) because she is the custodian of the thing most desired by all of them.
I guess you'd have to be there to understand and see it actually happening.
